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amongsttheleaves
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Quote from: Grabcopy on January 22, 2015, 08:27 pm
Here is the situation as I see it.

1) Andy's instinct is to counterattack, vary the pace and generally play cat-and-mouse on the court.

2) Every coach he's ever had has told him to hit the cover off the ball.

3) They were all sacked for their troubles until Lendl - who also wanted him to adopt a power game - got involved and Andy felt he couldn't contradict such a legend.

4) Andy won two slams and an Olympic gold.

5) Lendl has now gone and been replaced with someone who lets him do his own thing again, i.e. cat-and-mouse.

I'll leave you all to draw your own conclusions.

The problem with your argument is that tennis is not merely about power - or hitting the cover off the ball as you put it - there are plenty of players who do that and have comparatively little success. Power plays a part but good tennis is made up of other aspects as well. Amongst those things is a variety of shots played in a variety of ways, on court intelligence (something many players are distinctly lacking in), to name but a few.
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Quote from: amongsttheleaves on January 22, 2015, 08:39 pm
Of course I say all this without knowing either of them, but it is just my interpretation having followed both of their careers very closely, and got a lot of enjoyment out of watching them play.

I loved the Mauresmo/Henin rivalry.
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michelle
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Phil I don't think Amelie lets Andy play cat and mouse!! In fact the Coms have commented on how hard Andy is hitting the ball, what she is doing is reintroducing variety and coming to the net and volleying. I'm fed up with the inference that she is yes woman and that is why she was appointed. Andy wanted to improve in other areas of his game and use his strengths,because she tries to understand how Andy sees and feels does not mean that she won't push Andy on. I know I always worked harder and achieved more when I felt the person was working with me and understood me, rather than pushing me in a direction I felt wasn't helpful.Brute strength doesn't achieve any more than a gentle approach. If you see what I mean.
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amongsttheleaves
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Quote from: scotnadian on January 22, 2015, 08:47 pm
I loved the Mauresmo/Henin rivalry.

So did I. Lovely tennis, great backhands, beautiful volleys - I was always rooting for Amelie though (I'm totally biased but of the two Amelie had the better backhand and better, more beautiful, volleys, Henin had the better forehand). I spent a couple of days off over christmas just watching videos of their matches on YouTube and DailyMotion. The internet is a gold mine for old tennis matches! Was great to go back and watch them. Also a few of Amelie v Clijsters which were pretty good, including the Antwerp match when Amelie won that ridiculous diamond studded racquet in front of a very vociferous partisan crowd!

Quote from: michelle on January 22, 2015, 08:55 pm
Phil I don't think Amelie lets Andy play cat and mouse!! In fact the Coms have commented on how hard Andy is hitting the ball, what she is doing is reintroducing variety and coming to the net and volleying. I'm fed up with the inference that she is yes woman and that is why she was appointed. Andy wanted to improve in other areas of his game and use his strengths,because she tries to understand how Andy sees and feels does not mean that she won't push Andy on. I know I always worked harder and achieved more when I felt the person was working with me and understood me, rather than pushing me in a direction I felt wasn't helpful.Brute strength doesn't achieve any more than a gentle approach. If you see what I mean.

I understand exactly what you mean, and (unsurprisingly) I very much agree.
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Quote from: amongsttheleaves on January 22, 2015, 08:57 pm
So did I.

I think Amelie was fortunate to win the Aussie Slam. Kim retired in the SF and Justine retired in the final. Pretty much 2 walkovers to win the title. (Wowsa.. what are the chances??!) But, to be fair, she was ahead in both matches.

But she definitely earned her Wimbles slam.
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Connor
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To be fair, Amelie was a likeable player for me. Her rivalry vs Henin as someone pointed out was one of the best of its era, and her matches vs Serena were always a joy to watch.
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scotnadian
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Quote from: Connor on January 22, 2015, 09:13 pm
To be fair, Amelie was a likeable player for me. Her rivalry vs Henin as someone pointed out was one of the best of its era, and her matches vs Serena were always a joy to watch.
I seem to remember that when I was watching them I didn't want either of them to lose. I liked them both.

Amelie was like a new Steffi, and Justine always impressed me with the power from her tiny body.

To be honest .. I switched off from Women's tennis when the Williams sisters came on the scene. They were winning everything in sight, and they were so powerful. I think the last one I watched was the Wimbledon final between them, can't remember the year. Awful stuff.

Of course, now I can appreciate their games and what they've came through healthwise and professionally.
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Quote from: scotnadian on January 22, 2015, 09:11 pm
I think Amelie was fortunate to win the Aussie Slam. Kim retired in the SF and Justine retired in the final. Pretty much 2 walkovers to win the title. (Wowsa.. what are the chances??!) But, to be fair, she was ahead in both matches.

But she definitely earned her Wimbles slam.

It was a pity really that Henin decided she couldn't last another 15 mins and let Amelie hit balls at her because the way things were going in that match it would have been over and done with in that time if not less. They had been fairly good friends, or as much as you can be friends with a rival, until that match, but the next time they played it was clear that things weren't the same. Amelie did have 3 wins by retirement in that tournament, but was in the lead in every single match, the only one that was a fight was the match against Kim. My memory of that tournament was that after the first round Amelie was totally in the zone, despite having neck problems during the early rounds she just got on with it and won.  
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Quote from: amongsttheleaves on January 22, 2015, 09:29 pm
. Amelie did have 3 wins by retirement in that tournament,

In..
A..
Slam..
Event..
 shocking

.. fainting
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Quote from: scotnadian on January 22, 2015, 09:32 pm
In..
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Event..
 shocking

.. fainting

It was strange. Round 3 a teenage Michaëlla Krajicek got heat stroke, Semi Finals Kim injured her ankle, Finals JHH had whatever was going on with her.

But when Wimbledon came around she proved well and truly that she could beat anyone. Injured herself doing it though.
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Quote from: Grabcopy on January 22, 2015, 08:27 pm
Here is the situation as I see it.

1) Andy's instinct is to counterattack, vary the pace and generally play cat-and-mouse on the court.

2) Every coach he's ever had has told him to hit the cover off the ball.

3) They were all sacked for their troubles until Lendl - who also wanted him to adopt a power game - got involved and Andy felt he couldn't contradict such a legend.

4) Andy won two slams and an Olympic gold.

5) Lendl has now gone and been replaced with someone who lets him do his own thing again, i.e. cat-and-mouse.

I'll leave you all to draw your own conclusions.

   Lots of assumptions there - don't think the sequence of your argument allows any valid conclusion to be drawn.
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Quote from: amongsttheleaves on January 22, 2015, 09:38 pm
It was strange. Round 3 a teenage Michaëlla Krajicek got heat stroke, Semi Finals Kim injured her ankle, Finals JHH had whatever was going on with her.


Think..

Just saying.. lol
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Quote from: scotnadian on January 22, 2015, 09:11 pm
I think Amelie was fortunate to win the Aussie Slam. Kim retired in the SF and Justine retired in the final. Pretty much 2 walkovers to win the title. (Wowsa.. what are the chances??!) But, to be fair, she was ahead in both matches.

But she definitely earned her Wimbles slam.

They talked about her 2 GS wins on french eurosport with Henri Leconte and Patrick Mouratoglou. They said how much Amélie was pissed off and frustrated about her AO win. She didn't had the opportunity to get match point and win the match from start to finish. For her really, her first real GS win was Wimbledon.

They also talked about Gael Monfils defeat and his game in general. His game style, which is kind of similar to Andy's in terms of defensive position, waiting for the other one to make a mistake, playing cat and mouse (as said earlier), doesn't fit anymore.
Because more and more players tend to be aggressives, go for their shot and especially perform net approach more often. Not in a vintage-edberg way but much more often than 2 or 3 years ago. So the partnership with Amelie and her game style is to me more than relevant.

Something funny (given the french/english rivalry in sport), they also said to add a little bit of french rooster in every Andy's match or win. Yeah we french could be that chauvinist... But see it as an affectionate though and a testimony of how proud we are to have the opportunity to take part in one of the biggest challenge in this sport.
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Iluvandy
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^ nikko. A little bit of French rooster in Andy's matches is a good idea but won't make any difference to the French/English rivalry in sport.   French/Ecosse?   
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blueberryhill
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French and Scots old allies against the English....... Whistle
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